Last night, Honda has unveiled the 2023 Civic Type R. in all its historical glory of the white championship. We should all see the car from all angles and confirm some visual information we gleaned from an earlier Honda teaserbut full disclosure left out one important thing: the clarifies.
Honda gave us a bit of information about the new Type R, and last night didn’t provide more meaningful details.. But by combining some of the information we already know with a few photos from last night, I think we can make some educated guesses.
However, I should clarify that this is all we are doing here: guessing. I don’t have any information other than public information and I don’t email Honda to ask if there are any issues.If these guesses are correct, they are just funny speculation based on teasing, full disclosure and what we already know about Honda as a company.
Of course, this means that I have no more information than you do when you read this, so feel free to consult the comments and make your own guesses. Let’s see who is right.
To begin, we need a few basic facts. Things we definitely know about the new Type R, based on what Honda has already said about the car. While we may have a little, we definitely have more than nothing, so let’s get our confirmed facts on the page.
What we know about the 2023 Civic Type R
- This is a hatchback based on the 11th generation Honda Civic FL5 chassis.
- It’s wider than the base Civic hatchback. and wears a 265/30R19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. This means a smaller wheel size than the FK8 that ran 20s.
- It reuses the 2.0L VTEC turbo engine from the FK8 Civic Type R. but now it is “even more powerful and responsive”. Honda calls it “the most powerful Type R ever”.” and, most importantly, makes No indicate the market for this requirement. More on this later.
- He set a new front wheel drive lap record at the Suzuka circuit with a time of 2:23.120. This beat the FK8 Type R Limited Edition (yellow, you know) by 0.873 seconds.
It’s not a ton, but we can highlight it with some information about the current Civic chassis.
What do we know about Civic FE/FL
- Honda claims that in sedan form it is much stiffer than the outgoing model – 8 percent more. 13 percent increase in torsional rigidity an increase in bending stiffness and 27 percent increase in rigidity of fastening of the back shock-absorber. Subjectively, driving a 2022 Civic Si shortly after its tenth generation predecessor, these improvements make the car feel more confident on twisty roads than the old car.
- Integra, which wears the body of a Civic hatchback, is 2 percent. stiffer than the Si sedan.
- The base Civic LX hatchback on the tenth generation chassis weighed 2,906 pounds, while the current LX hatchback weighs 2,928 pounds – 0.76 percent. increase. The current chassis also has slightly better weight distribution.
This gives us some additional information about the chassis, but it’s mostly based on the new Si. So what do we know about how the old Si compares to the old Type R?
Comparison of the tenth generation Civic Type R with the Si (and the standard Civic Hatch)
- The FK8 Type R was taller and shorter than its contemporary Si, but context matters – the base Civic hatch of the time was the same. Compared to the standard sunroof chassis, the Type R was 1.5 inches longer, 3.1 inches wider, and the same height—in fact, taller than some trim levels.
- The Si sedan and the base Civic hatchback shared a curb weight of 2,906 pounds, but the Type R added an additional 215 pounds (7.4%) to that number. It was also heavier at the front than the Si and the base hatch.
- By the end of the run, the old Type R was $37,895, 66% more than the Si’s $25,000 price tag.
So, we have a solid amount of data to work with. With all this at hand, what can we infer about the upcoming Civic Type R?
How much horsepower will the 2023 C haveIvic Type R Brand?
Ah, the big question everyone wants to know: what kind of horsepower are we talking about? Honda did not replace the old K20C1 engine with the J30AC you will find in TLX Type S or something, so we’re probably playing at about the same level as FK8. As further proof of this, raise both Type R 2021 as well as 2023 Suzuka circle side by side – The G-meter in the bottom right corner doesn’t show much difference in terms of longitudinal force. Sure, they can be calibrated differently, but the new Civic doesn’t seem to overclock. too much much faster than the old one. It just gets faster on the track, probably thanks to the new chassis and wider tires.
Honda, however, claims to be the most powerful Civic Type R, so there should be some power gain. It’s not clear which Civic variants set each Suzuka record, but given that both cars are left-hand drive, I’m willing to take the risk and assume they’re both destined for the European export market.
You see, the Japanese and American FK8 Type Rs put out a solid 306 horsepower, but the European model got ten more. If this trend continues for the FL5, and if Honda’s Si conservatism continues, I’m going to bet on a four-horsepower increase: 310 horsepower for the US and Japan, 320 for the US and Japan. Europe. If Honda decides to unify and give each market the same power output, I expect 320 everywhere – but don’t be surprised if that number a bit underrated.
What will be the dimensions of the 2023 Civic Type R?
The FK8 Type R was 1.5 inches longer and 3.1 inches wider than the base LX hatchback. and stood at the same height. The 11th-gen chassis is 1.1 inches longer, 0.1 inches wider, and 0.8 inches lower than its predecessor, which feels similar enough that the new R doesn’t differ from the base model in some wildly softening way. The best guess is that the Civic Type R will be 180.5 inches long overall, 74 inches wide, and 55.7 inches high. Fun fact: it’s wider than the C5 Corvette.
How much will the 2023 Civic Type R weigh?
All that extra structural rigidity in the new Civic chassis didn’t translate into much weight savings. Its curb weight is less than one percent less than the old car, so it’s likely the new Type R won’t be too different from it. or. In fact, with a GT-style wing dropping a few ounces, the difference between base and R can even be less than it was for the FK8.
The current base Civic hatchback weighs 2,928 pounds, while the old Type R added 215 pounds to its base model counterpart. If we decrease this delta a little, the new R will likely tip the scales somewhere between 3130-3140 pounds.
How will the 2023 Civic Type R perform?
While the 2022 Civic Si has lost the adaptive dampers of the previous generation car, the Type R is unlikely to do so. Expect it to ride even better than the previous car, taking full advantage of the stiffer chassis and wider tires. Will it be different enough for you to notice from the driver’s seat? Maybe yes. Will this affect your lap times if you are not a professional driver? Almost certainly not.
However, what might make the difference is a new tire and wheel package. Gone are the 20-inch FK8 wheels, replaced by 19-inch ones that have slightly more sidewall. These are not rally tires, but they may just save your wheel from a local pothole.
Will the 2023 Civic Type R get its own “Limited Edition” finish painted in Phoenix yellow to outperform the base Type R at the Suzuka circuit?
Almost certainly. For starters, not to make Hardcore Honda Fetishist money stay on the table and no company wants to rake in less cash. Second, the new R only outperformed the old LE at Suzuka by 0.873 seconds, and having driven both generations in the Si trim, I’m convinced the FL5 could do better. Give it your own set of forged lightweight BBS, put the Pilot Sport Cup 2 back on and let it rip.
How much will the 2023 Civic Type R cost?
After horsepower, this is usually the second biggest thing everyone wants to know. So let’s do the math. The price of the FK8 Type R was 66% higher than that of its contemporary Si, and the price of the Si has jumped $2,500 since then. Considering the price of the updated Si, this jump will bring the new Type R to $45,650, which is not out of the question for Honda’s hottest hatchback.
However, maybe I’m just blindly optimistic because I don’t think Honda would want to outsell the Golf R – the FK8 has always cost less than the Mk7 R and I expect that trend to continue. Since the Golf is just over $44,000, I predict the 2023 Civic Type R will be closer to $43,000. This puts it just below the old limited series and gives it some breathing space from its German rivals.
Of course, while these are all educated guesses, they are still just guesses. You have the same information that I have here, so now it’s your turn to think about it. How do you predict where the 2023 Civic Type R will fall in terms of power, weight and price?
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